one of their national railway companies, Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS), 700 MW offshore windfarm near the town of Borssele. I Did Not Say Wind Energy is 'Idiot Power.'" (Although Eneco, NSs wind power procurer, claims that its wind farm portfolio guarantees sufficient capacity to cover such eventualities . Good for saving valuable hydrocarbons for something more useful than burning them, and they really can supply all my electricity 24/7 that way. You still technically get your power from the electric company, but you pay little to nothing for it because you are supplying them electricity. I did not say wind energy is Idiot Power.". Everybody should buy only 100% RE. http://www.sciencealert.com/all-electric-trains-in-the-netherlands-are-now-100-powered-by-wind-energy. A two-megawatt windmill contains 260 tonnes of steel requiring 170 tonnes of coking coal and 300 tonnes of iron ore, all mined, transported and produced by hydrocarbons. It is a special fund used by the Dutch government to make investments in renewable energy profitable. The Dutch and other people draw energy from the European grid, which has been generated by many sources. [1], By December 2013, 1,975 wind turbines were operational on land in the Netherlands, with an aggregate capacity of 2,479 MW. This is about two-thirds of the system. France has an even bigger problem with energy poverty even though her supposedly cheaper power. Whats the trick? Founded in 2004, Produced at least 12 models at 250, 500, 750, 900 and 2000kW. , I am told Biogas is not actually allowed in our pipeline system.. I find that the electrified portion of the Dutch railway network (Nederlandse Spoorwegen, or NS) runs on grid electricity that comes dominantly from fossil fuel generation (natural gas and coal). Thats true, of course. Ive included a (slightly-edited) mini-excerpt from my recent book, Science and the City, to explain: Electric locomotives dont have conventional engines. Because Eneco, which contracts to supply NS with wind power, gets a Guarantee of Origin from the exporter under which the exporter confirms that the power came from wind and assigns the rights to it to NS. You bet. Produced at least 12 models of 2000, 4000, 4500, and 5000kW. The clip is in Dutch so set the captions to translate if you do not speak the language. In Norway 132,2 million guarantees of origin for hydro power were issued in 2014, corresponding to 132,2 Twh. As of the first of January this year, all public transport trains are being powered by renewable energy, namely from wind power. I see the logic behind the options for supply that can be taken, but how can any householder take a contract for 100% wind power when often this is not available, certainly if a large number opt for green power. Why cant, errr sorry, why Dont you? I happen to know a little about the Dutch grid and its power networks: interconnectors to other countries have long been bottlenecks and monopolising capacity on them has proved to be quite profitable in the past to those who trade electricity in more than one country. The company said all electric trains were now powered by wind energy. Intercity train arriving at Leiden Central railway station, Netherlands. BBC News. The Nuclear Humanist 1.75K subscribers 40 Dislike Share 814 views Jul 23, 2017 The Dutch Railway Corporation. I am surrounded by almost 3000 MWs of hydro power in my county alone, but because of these guarantees of origin my supposed consumption is very dirty, consisting mostly of a central European mix of coal, natural gas, nuclear with some renewables added. But of course even two-thirds of the NS system doesnt run completely on wind power. So how does NS justify the claim that all Dutch trains run on 100% wind power? Stations are heated using heat exchangers, green gas or green electricity. Its own wind farms, built in the Netherlands, Belgium, Finland, and Sweden, aim to generate enough energy to fulfill NS's demand of about 1.4 terawatt-hours for 2017 (enough to power a million . Great post. These systems are found on underground trains in Los Angeles, Auckland and Buenos Aires, among others. Our ambition is also to use more of our own resources (buildings, property) to generate sustainable energy. Hughes didn't make that statement of all windmills, and he allowed that some could recoup their construction costs in three years or less. The fund is paid for by adding a surcharge to household electricity bills. At this point, total Dutch wind power generation is about 7.4 billion kWh annually. "Carbon Shift: How Peak Oil and the Climate Crisis Will Change Canada (and Our Lives) Paperback." Grid power in fact reflects the overall generation mix, which in the case of the Netherlands is dominantly gas and coal with only a small contribution from wind. Surprisingly, even the electricity is sourced from windmill electric generato. Only the Guardian has seen fit to publish a correction: An earlier version said all Dutch trains were now 100% powered by wind-generated electricity, according to the national railway company NS. I would take it, then, that you are not among the poor and elderly who DO give a fig about money? Even the two Dutch wind farms with which NS contracts directly for wind power, Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen, are tied generally to the Dutch grid and not tied directly into the NS rail system. Thus, all of NE has the same energy mix, i.e., there is not one mix for VT, another for NH, or one mix for the Netherlands, another for Germany. if any Finnish electron reaches Netherlands most likely it goes via Baltic states, Poland and Germany. http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-e1-and-vs-t1/. This year the country is due to start operating a 600-megawatt offshore wind farm, called Gemini. Rod, you must live in Albania E.ON wanted to put my tariff up from 9.79p to 13.87p. If it was based on the former there would a strong possibility that these companies could be oversubscribed with customers who may not receive true renewable energy when the wind does not blow. "So we in fact reached our goal a year earlier than planned," spokesman Ton Boon told AFP. As Hughes observed, his point was that "the concept of net energy is crucial if we want to find a policy that will see us through the Energy Sustainability Dilemma," not that windmills should be eschewed for using up more energy than they ever create. 90/month for the typical 3 person household. So I know that its true, just as if I had read it in the Guardian. One wind turbine running for an hour can power a train for 120 miles, the companies said. As of the 1st of January, 2017, electric Dutch trains are now completely powered by wind energy, according to NS, the national railway company. (Figure 2: Note the dotted lines showing non-electrified track. At least they are investing in renewable energy. The Harried Dutch commuters who are travelling on one of the most environmentally friendly rail networks in the whole of Europe, if not the world are being sold a bill of goods. Eneco and NS said on a joint website that around 600,000 passengers daily are the first in the world to travel thanks to wind energy. Produced at least 14 models of 100. The fun would be that trains would soon be blocking the lines as power production fell. The role of the third (or conductor) rail is to ensure that the electricity is always directly available, so its installed alongside, or in between, the pair of running rails (Keep an eye out for it when youre next on an underground train). According to Railway Technology because it has a: green energy contract thought to be among the largest yet signed in Europe between power supplier Eneco and VIVENS, an energy procurement joint venture comprising Netherlands Railways (NS), Veolia, Arriva, Connexxion and rail freight firms, and because, NS and Eneco have carefully selected a list of wind farms that fulfil their criteria of being traceable, sustainable or renewable and additional, or new, and because, This partnership ensures that new investments can be made in even newer wind farms, which will increase the share of renewable energy. Google will allegedly power all its operations with renewable energy this year by doing exactly the same thing. The Netherlands national railway company, NS, has announced all of its electric passenger trains (not the freight trains) are now 100% powered by wind energy. According to Eneco, the power used by the carriers comes from newly built wind farms in the Netherlands, Scandinavia and Belgium. Blunt, Elizabeth. If a energy supply company contracts with a renewable provider ( I am not including nuclear sources) would it be based on the installed power of the wind farms or a capacity factor adjusted power capabilities? This is the cause of the very bright, blue-white spark you sometimes see near the third rail, as well as flickering carriage lights. The third that by purchasing wind power that would otherwise have gone elsewhere NS is leaving the door open for more wind projects and more CO2 reductions is the only one that offers any tangible benefits. However, wind power consumption in the Netherlands in 2015 was 12.5TWh, indicating that about 5TWh of wind power was imported during the year. The new Zuidwester site at the wind farm will have just 12 turbines and a total nameplate capacity of 90 MW. All wind amd solar energy gets a hefty FIT tariff in the Netherlands, intended to guarantee profitability of the energy investment over the long term (even if the electricity market price goes negative, for example). Indirect Contributions Are Essential To Physics, The Crisis In Theoretical Particle Physics Is Not A Moral Imperative, Why Study Science? This page was last edited on 14 January 2023, at 23:49. from northern Maine to southern Florida, about 1800 miles in 0.01 second. The point about this is that it is just PR. Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own. Such as happened earlier this year in the UK when we had several days of around only 300MW of total metered wind power. This article was amended on 11 January 2017. The farm consists of 43 Vestas V112 turbines of 3 MW capacity each. [61], In 2008, a second, somewhat larger offshore wind farm was built: the Princess Amalia Wind Farm, consisting of 60 Vestas V80 2MW turbines totaling 120 MW, sufficient to power 125,000 homes and help the Netherlands cut 225,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions. The comment about T1s was meant to be a wry tomayto vs tomarto thing which probably didnt work as an explanation of why I get pedantic. Thanks for the correction Lars. In fact, an investigation by Energy Matters finds that the electrified portion of NS mainly runs on electricity derived from coal and natural gas. NS Dutch Railways has partnered with energy company Eneco to use its wind. An Eneco and NS joint website. Apart from the first rather obvious problems, anyone with the most basic understanding of electrical enrgy, as taught before 16 at school, would immediately know this was a wholly untrue technical assertion., Thats the whole point, Brian There are hardly any people with a basic understanding of electrical energy If most would have an understanding, there would be no renewables at all The whole charade would not even have started in the first place , Just as Otter says above, on different forums, lots of people are claiming Im 100% renewable (because I have a 100% RE contract with Essent, or Lampiris, or Belpower, or ENI, or ), Neither humour (so you got all the wind power this morning, because there was none left for me !, nor hard facts (for the 8-day period 27/12 03/01, that I just took a look at for another discussion, Wind and Solar provided a grand total of 4.6% of all electricity used in Belgium Was that enough for all of them 100% RE contracts ? I am laughing. According to DutchNews.nl, there's currently a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country. Started operations in 1979. Fossil fuel-fired power plants produced over 80% of the electricity in the Netherlands, mainly natural gas (42%) and coal (35%). Grid connections for the Luchterduinen and Nordpoostpolder wind farms (locations approximate) are shown in black. In this way, the Dutch railways aim to reduce the greatest negative environmental impact caused by CO2 in such a way that its demand actually contributes to the sustainable power generation in the Netherlands and Europe.. As a retired telecomms engineer Im glad not to be repeatedly telling folks from the US that T1 is not a global standard any more! The actual amount of green energy produced is unaffected.. remarkably consists of wind turbines with just 2 blades, manufactured by Nedwind, the 18 turbines have a combined nominal power of 18 MW.[30]. If you would like to know more, click here. Furthermore, both solar panels and wind turbines are capable of functioning under cold . The farm consists of three smaller wind farms owned by separate organisations with local community links. The Netherlands currently has a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country, according to DutchNews.nl. So technically, the government is not paying for the FITs.. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. The two Dutch wind farms that have contracted to sell power to NS (Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen) are both connected directly to the Dutch grid, along with all the other power plants in the country, and NS draws its power from the grid: Figure 3: The Netherlands electricity grid. In late 2015, the Dutch government announced its goal to power the country's electric trains entirely with wind power by 2018. power for over 400,000 households every day, a figure roughly equivalent to the number of households in the Northern Netherlands.[13]. The supply of wind power to the Dutch grid will also not be constant. The city also gets about a third of its power from a large biomass plant. This type of fuel is considered to be climate-neutral, as it does not cause CO2 emissions. If NS consumes an amount of gray electricity, than other consumers who pay for gray electricity will get same amount of wind electricity mixed in their gray electricity. That means electrons traveling across international borders to help power the NS railway system come in some amount from wind power, but in much larger amounts from non-wind sources. Harried Dutch commuters may not be entirely cognisant of the fact . [5] This will contribute towards the Dutch target of 14% renewable energy use out of total energy use by 2020[10] and 16% by 2023. The green electricity we use is generated by new wind farms, which have been brought into service in phases. NS claims 100% wind power because it has a contract with various wind farms to produce enough energy to power its rail system, but this is just an accounting transaction. [61] A further 228 MW of installed capacity will be added when completed. During these periods wind generation in the neighboring Netherlands would also have fallen to low levels. The 129 MW Eneco Luchterduinen wind farm is located 23km off the coast between Zandvoort and Noordwijk cities in the Netherlands. What is clear is that most of those electrons didnt originate from wind turbines. The two Dutch wind farms that have contracted to sell power to NS (Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen) are both connected directly to the Dutch grid, along with all the other power plants in the country, and NS draws its power from the grid: Figure 3: The Netherlands' electricity grid. Train tickets for international journeys can be purchased from NS International. Some of the newer larger wind farms currently under construction are replacing smaller turbines previously installed at given locations. They have been working with Eneco, a sustainable energy supplier operating in the Netherlands, for several years. These were often manufactured by lesser known wind turbine manufacturers, sometimes producing innovative products such as the Nedwind 2 blade turbine. Started operations 2009. Updated [5 February 2019]: Original version of this article attributed this quote to Thomas Homer-Dixon. An all-electric heating is much easier to implement, few properly dimensioned wires and cheap heaters, while a gas heater needs specific know-how and is much more capital-intensive. The Dutch government is looking to ramp up the nation's share of renewable energy from 4 percent in 2014 to 16 percent in 2023. But in reality, the commercial parties are making a double killing: getting free money throughout the FIT contract (paid for 100% by households) *and* profiting from the PR value of presenting themselves as selflessly investing their own money in wind and solar energy for the planet. Only 18,9 Twh were bought in Norway, the rest sold abroad. NS operates about 5,500 train trips a day. According to LJ Electrical only 2,231km of NSs total 3,223km of track is electrified): Figure 2: The Netherlands railway network. As of October2022[update], wind power in the Netherlands has an installed capacity of 8,304 MW, 29.6% of which is based offshore. By using the brake to change the connections on a trains motors, they stop turning the wheels, slowing the train, and instead produce electricity that can be used elsewhere. And meanwhile the Netherlands electrified railways continue to be powered dominantly by fossil fuel electricity. World-famous for their picturesque windmills, the Netherlands has always had a love affair with wind energy. RE fans should understand that present mainstream RE technologies ( mostly PV and wind) require considerable real estate and in our small island one cannot travel very far without having a wind farm in view. They would stop when there isnt any, obs. Pingback: Antidotes were hard to find this week as one cheering message after another was debunked only Positive News was buoyant | C 3000: antidote to gloom, Pingback: International Energy Agency Electricity Production Statistics for OECD Countries 2014 2016 | Blogging about energy and transitioning to clean energy, Click image to download live UK grid data, Per Capita Energy Consumption North America, Per Capita Energy Consumption South America, Per Capita Energy Consumption Former Soviet Union, Per Capita Energy Consumption Middle East, Per Capita Energy Consumption Asia Pacific, Refinery Output and Product Demand North America, Refinery Output and Product Demand Europe, Refinery Output and Product Demand Middle East, Refinery Output and Product Demand Asia Pacific, newly built wind farms in . Roger, that map isn`t quite updated. See the table below for the current situation. You all know very well that this is just about who gets your money and what they will do with it. Apart from the first rather obvious problems, anyone with the most basic understanding of electrical enrgy, as taught before 16 at school, would immediately know this was a wholly untrue technical assertion. By Adele Peters 1 minute Read A single. But there is no guarantee that the unfilled demand will be met by renewables, and in any event the 1.2-1.4TWh/year consumed by NS represents barely more than 1% of the Netherlands annual electricity consumption and a totally negligible fraction of European consumption. supply from NSs contracted windfarms,and if their supply drops below the train systems demand, Only a small fraction of the power delivered to its trains actually comes from wind.. The other half comes from newly built wind farms in . The Dutch government has set a target of 6,000 MW nameplate capacity of onshore wind power by 2020 (not met, as per the data above) and 4,450 MW of offshore wind power by 2023. Everyone drawing energy from the grid is equal, on a physical basis. NS first announced their target for a wind-powered train fleet back in 2015, but they've hit their target a year earlier than planned - way ahead of their 2018 goal. The wind farm's 86 wind turbines will produce 1.4 billion kWh of electricity, enough. Do the Netherlands trains really run on http://elering.ee/cross-border-physical-flows/, http://ast.lv/eng/power_system/current_situation_in_power_system/state_of_power_system/, http://www.litgrid.eu/index.php/sistemos-duomenys/79, Antidotes were hard to find this week as one cheering message after another was debunked only Positive News was buoyant | C 3000: antidote to gloom, International Energy Agency Electricity Production Statistics for OECD Countries 2014 2016 | Blogging about energy and transitioning to clean energy, Drone Strike on Saudi Arabia Knocks out 5% of Global Oil Supplies, Grazing, desertification and climate change. So pick your choice That would power a large proportion of all of the households in Amsterdam**. The concept of net energy must be applied to renewable sources of energy, such as windmills and photovoltaics. What happens where there is insufficient wind for the required duration to powerup the batteries? Whats the trick? [14] A second hand market for turbines also exists, which could grow as older turbines are replaced by larger newer ones. Active 2020. There are very little poor people in Germany. The historical land of windmills is leading . Credit: Wikimedia Commons, Ad Meskens. All Dutch electric trains are now powered by wind energy, the national railway company NS has said . Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. You make one good point here which is that France has cheap electricity but expensive heating. "Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy," said NS spokesman,. So we in fact reached our goal a year earlier than planned, said Boon, adding that an increase in the number of wind farms across the country and off the coast of the Netherlands had helped NS achieve its aim. http://ast.lv/eng/power_system/current_situation_in_power_system/state_of_power_system/ . This passage was written by David Hughes. Wheres the renewable engy only socket? When you dont know reality and cant speak German you have to believe what you find on the English writing interwebs . Its worth noting that it would be pointless to put wind turbines in poor locations, and its trivial, or meaningless, to say that a turbine would never pay back its embedded energy in a poor location. In an anything goes era of news and social media, its not often that a post jumps off the page. Electricity is electricity, electron charge transfer. But it really doesnt matter which countries the Finnish wind power passes through on its way to the Netherlands. Supply from all generators is monitored in any case, all youd have to do is add up the If thats the case, it marks a major turning point in the story of renewables. Green energy for train, bus and station In 2017, our trains in the Netherlands became the first in the world to run for 100% on wind energy, giving travellers the option of travelling without CO2 emissions. Often only 100% renewable utilities are allowed to participate in the auctions. Fossil fuel-fired power plants produced over 80% of the electricity in the Netherlands, mainly natural gas (42%) and coal (35%). How much wind? [2] The Dutch are trying to meet the EU-set target of producing 14% of total energy use from renewable sources by 2020, and 16% by 2023. Only a small fraction of the power delivered to its trains actually comes from wind. Especially since there are no green electrons. A little more than a tenth of all electricity consumed in the Netherlands comes from wind power, some of which is imported. That's something. The ns also solved the issue of delayed trains by changing the defenition of delay from 3 minutes to 5 minutes. But none of this wind power is directly connected to the NS rail system. Willem, forgive the pedantry, but its the second time you said it. . Eneco has made a point . Either figure comfortably exceeds the amount of electricity NS uses to power its electric trains, which is variously quoted as either 1.2 or 1.4TWh/year. [2] [6] The wind park was developed off the coast of IJmuiden by Econcern and Eneco Energie, at a total cost of $522.3 million.[6]. Where I post my arguments on various things climate-related, belief that a 100% renewable-powered train can and does exist is ubiquitous. Not big money, even on 100TWh. It is reportedly due to the early completion of some of these farms that enabled the 100% wind target to be reached one year in advance. Burlingtons biggest source of electricity is hydropower imported from across the region. This material may not be reproduced without permission. A little more than a tenth of all electricity consumed in the Netherlands comes from wind power, some of which is imported. All Dutch electric trains are now powered by wind energy, the national railway company NS has said . An earlier version said all Dutch trains were now 100% powered by wind-generated electricity, according to the national railway company NS. Calculated value from total installed nameplate capacity and actual electricity generation. The only way we could get close would be to take this measure of the citys population (813, 562) and this value for electricity consumption per person (1800 kWh). Since 2019, the buses have been powered by HVO (Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil) made from processed deep fryer oil and industrial fats. Switch them back on by degrees. How much of the Netherlands electricity is supplied by wind? [20], The Rachel Carson wind farm (also known as the Eemmeerdijk Wind Park.) [1] [2] [7] The project cost $272 million and is cooperatively owned by Royal Dutch Shell and the Dutch utility company Nuon. However the electricity is delivered to the train, once its there, it is used to power lights, and air-conditioning, as well as the traction motors, which are what turn the trains wheels. 15ct/kWh, 100%hydro, no nuclear or gray labeled power bought for pumping. To aver otherwise displays ignorance or deception. Figure 1: The Netherlands generation mix 2000-2013. Were these conditions to repeat themselves now, and if NSs trains were powered exclusively by wind, they would almost certainly come to a halt. The turbines supply enough energy to power 2.4 million households. With wind power usage in 2015 equal to 12.5 billion kWh, Dutch demand for wind power amply exceeds supply. Since 2015 there has been a trend towards the deployment and planning for large wind farms, both onshore and offshore, with a view to the approximate tripling wind power capacity from 2015 levels by 2023. http://www.litgrid.eu/index.php/sistemos-duomenys/79. When I travel, I just plug in my electric razor, which automatically converts it. What Was It Like When The Universe First Created More Matter Than Antimatter? Apparently Eneco can make the wind blow to order.). In 2016, Dutch wind hit the headlines again, when a 700 MW offshore windfarm near the town of Borssele became the most cost-effective in the world. But you seem happy to gloss over the fact that Germanys cheap power comes from coal, nuclear and Russian gas. The Dutch railway folks have PPAs to buy energy only from renewable energy producers, and thus claim, our passenger trains run on renewable energy, but fail to add on a contract basis. 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